[Wired News] Google's 'Don't Be Evil' Mantra is 'Bullshit,' Adobe Is Lazy: Jobs Options

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Steve Jobs tells an Apple Town Hall Google's 'Don't Be Evil' mantra is 'Bullshit' and that Adobe is lazy, pushing buggy Flash when the future is html5.

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[Domochevsky]

Shock and awe! Stop the presses! :o

...yeah, im sure Jobs is the right one to call others on their bullshit. >_>

[Noggin]

Haha yeah and Jobs is an evil turtle-headed psycho-nerd. Adobe is lazy though. And crap. And Apple stuff is overpriced. And Google is slightly evil... but it's all for the 'greater good' :D

That joobs character does annoy me a bit though. I've heard him speak live a few times back in the early days before Macs were 'cool', and I thought he was a bit of a psycho-nerd even then. I still think while his company does bring some much needed fresh thinking to the table, and some great technology which made technology just that little bit less frustrating, I still think his overall business models are old-school. They make far too much per-unit considering how much they sell, and they do carry a degree of arrogance with them.

Thing is, they're so far ahead of the competition (generally speaking) that they can afford to do this!

Microsoft operate similarly, and they are finally starting to feel the pinch. If only everyone wasn't so dumb as to "upgrade" to Windows 7, we might see some real change around here.

[Domochevsky]

But... Windows 7 is so shiny! >_>

[Wistrel]

If only everyone wasn't so dumb as to "upgrade" to Windows 7, we might see some real change around here.

Says the one who has it as his OS of choice for his game ;)

But... Windows 7 is so shiny! >_>

hehe quite. I've been having second thoughts about changing to it again recently... it could just be that XP needs a clean/reinstall though.

Wistrel

[Noggin]

Haha I know, that comment probably seemed a bit hypocritical on the face of it. However, Windows 7 is great for games, to such an extent that it's almost impossible to create games of the same graphical quality on another OS. I have not bought a copy of Windows 7 - I have an MSDN subscription, so I get it as part of the deal. I do not intend to pay money for Windows 7 at all (aside from the portion of my MSDN which undoubtedly goes into the 'pot').

The quality of the free Operating Systems around today is absolutely incredible. The Open Source movement is really starting to show it's colours, and I for one use Linux as my primary operating system for my work, and pretty much everything else I can. The game's back-end is now 100% Linux based, and as soon as Linux' graphical capabilities are up to scratch, the game's front end will be converted.

I'm at the stage now where I only boot into Windows to play games - I even do most of my development in a virtualised (and often emulated) Windows environment, simply because it's easier that way! So, to buy a Windows 7 licence just for this seems a total waste - for me anyway.

So, yeah, I'd do almost anything to mean I don't have to produce a game that runs solely on Windows, but at the moment there's little choice. XP doesn't support a lot of the DirectX features I rely on, Vista is crap and seems to slow a lot of things down, so that leaves us with Win7.

To me, Windows 7 isn't great, but it's the best consumer OS to come out of Microsoft for a long time. It's expensive for what it is, especially if you already own Windows XP or Vista. There's little to tell them apart either, aside from shinier graphics in the first case, and better efficiency in the second. If you consider how many units MS sell, and that the only reason they are selling them is because most people who bought laptops over the last 3 years or so think Vista is rubbish, it's kind of sick.

I just don't like the way Microsoft behave towards their customers. It's one thing to peddle shoddy stuff to the world, and totally another to multiply profits simply for fixing it. I think the whole XBox 360 rigmorole is testament to that. How many people do you know who've bought those consoles, only to have them break after a few months of play (and MS try to deny anything was wrong, make it awkward to get them fixed, and charge more money for the pleasure once it's a day out of warranty). That's not to mention the sabotage of any console suspected of breaching a licence agreement!

Makes you start to look at what Google are doing, and how much more ethical a lot of it is in comparison.

Then again, Chrome is spyware, the launch of the Nexus One was a botch, and the new OS sounds dead boring.

[Wistrel]

interesting Noggin. With your previously professed love of DX I wouldn't have put you as a linuxite. My friend at Crytek UK used to use linux for ps3 dev a lot when it was Free Radical. Funny to hear him complaining about having to work on windows suddenly when he was put on CE3 (and now 4 apparently).

I didn't really think Win7 was so expensive though? I know people who bought it and I can't remember the cost but it didn't seem too much. I guess I was thinking of it as an XP upgrade (forgetting vista existed) so from that POV you get a big change I think.

Wistrel

[Domochevsky]

Yeah, most people will switch from XP to Win7, i'd say. And on top of that students will get it for zilch if their university is part of the program. Home users can get the OS for like 80 bucks if i remember correctly. (not Ultimate of course, but that is mostly toys, so whatever.)